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Gabi Butcher
07-11-2008, 08:43 AM
Now that everyone knows where to find the EXIF of your digital pictures we can move to the next level and begin to learn what all that information means and start taking charge of ... yes... the camera will no longer be the boss of you... it will be a slow process but I'm sure it's going to be FUN and enlightening.

Today we will learn about ISO, on further exercises we will return to this because as you will find out EVERYTHING on a camera is related... If you change one thing it affects all the others, but don't worry with practice this will all make sense in a while.

ISO sensitivity expresses the speed of photographic negative materials (formerly expressed as ASA).
Since digital cameras do not use film but use image sensors instead, the ISO equivalent is usually given.
What ISO denotes is how sensitive the image sensor is to the amount of light present. The higher the ISO, the more sensitive the image sensor and therefore the possibility to take pictures in low-light situations.
And, where you would have needed to physically change to a different roll of film if you wanted a different ISO speed, digital technology allows you to simply dial one in. In this way, you can record images taken at different ISO speeds on the same memory card.

There is a lot more to this but with this information we can all start to change some things...

What are we going to do?

1) Place an object on some place with light (natural if possible) and take a photo of it in the AUTOMATIC mode.
2) Now with the same object and light I want you all to take your cameras and put it in the MANUAL mode (if you don't know where it is let me know and we can figure it out together - BTW ALL cameras have some sort of manual mode even the point and shoot ones). Try to find where the ISO option is (mine is in Manual/ISO) and put it in 100 - take a picture
3) With the same scene change now the ISO to the highest your camera allows (mine is 400) take the same shot...
4) I want all 3 images WITH the EXIF information posted in your post, PLEASE try to make the visible so everybody can see the different modes the camera used.
You will note that the EXPOSURE TIME from the ISO100 is very different than the other with the higher ISO and that the image with ISO100 does not have as much GRAIN/NOISE as the one with the higher ISO.
Next exercise we will learn more about Exposure Time

If you are using a point and shoot you will probably NOT SEE any changes... WHY? Because you don't have the full control of the point and shoot's BUT when you upload the imagesmto your computer and open them side by side you will see what we used to call GRAINS on the highest ISO images. Now it's called NOISE.

All this increase in sensitivity does not come free. There is a price to pay with your image appearing more noisy. See, when you boost the sensitivity of your image sensor by selecting a higher ISO, the image sensor is now able to record a fainter light signal. However, it is also true now that it will record fainter noise, where noise is any signal that is not attributed to the light from your subject. Remember that an image sensor is still an ****og device and it generates its own noise, too! The increased sensitivity allows the image sensor to record more light signal and more noise. The ratio of light signal to noise (S/N ratio) determines the "noise" in your resultant image.
An image sensor is usually calibrated so that it gives the best image quality (greatest S/N ratio) at its lowest possible ISO speed. For most consumer digital cameras, this value will be expressed as ISO 50, ISO 64 or ISO 100. A few digital cameras use ISO 200 as their lowest ISO speed.
Just as with its film counterpart, an image sensor will exhibit "noise" (comparable to "graininess" in film) at the higher ISO speeds. Unlike film, where graininess can sometimes contribute to the mood of the image, noise produced by an image sensor is undesirable and appears as a motley of distracting coloured dots on your image.

To reduce NOISE there are some PS Plugins and also some Programs (I use Noiseware Community Edition - a free program that has it's full/more complete version for sale)

Now you ask... so WHY will I use this since it will only give me NOISE and I actually CAN'T control all the camera (when you change the ISO the camera will do it's part by changing automatically - most point and shoot will - it's apperture* and Film Speed*) - because you WILL gain some CONTROL of your pictures by turning the Flash OFF and increasing the ISO... now you will be able to take some pictures in some environments that DON'T NEED flash. Flash from PAS (point and Shoot) cameras are BAD... they give you too much shaddows, red eyes and black backgrounds... to day the least.

* we will learn more about this in future exercises

OBS.:
- I'm using my point and shoot instead of my DSLR so I can be in the same situation as most of you
- AFTER putting your camera into MANUAL but BEFORE taking the second shot (there should be 3) don't forget to turn the FLASH OFF - I want the 2 last pics without flash! The first will be decided by the camera, but most likely it will have a flash light, cause these cameras are too insecure :giggle: to trust on the photographer.
- This will probably work different for the girls using DSLR... so I will do this exercise in the DSLR version tomorrow - but in the meantime if you have a Point and Shoot join us here so you will start to learn the features of ALL cameras.

Now my examples... Mind you this are all SOOC (straigh out of the Camera images with no treatment)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3072/2657859651_c47fc43f35.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2658685780_f676c90620.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/2658686296_ca2d0e9a99.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2658685906_d1c47a6242.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2395/2658686426_f018b9b49c.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/2657859567_c98eba978c.jpg

and now see how the GRAIN/NOISE is different from the 100 and the 400:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2175/2657859943_eb570e2e25_o.jpg >>>ISO100 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2657859903_d230b66646_o.jpg >>>ISO400

OBS.: Mic I know you can't see the images I posted so if you want I can send you by e-mail.

Janine Assis
07-11-2008, 09:35 AM
I will try with my point and shot, but I can't wait to do with the DSLR!!

Mic_Aisenberg
07-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Gabi, this is GREAT!!!!! Iīll give it a try during the weekend and post here. And, donīt worry, a miracle has happened and now i can see all yout flickr pics! lol

My camero goes to ISO 1800, i gess. And thereīs also another option after it, i canīt remember now. Itīs not a number... Iīll give it a try and show you!

Canīt wait to learn a little bit more about photography!!!!! :woohoo:

Gabi Butcher
07-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Mic that's great - now you can see!!!
And since you have DSLR we will probably do a different exercise... if you want to try and do this with your Point and Shoot I know it will work...

THE 'after' the 1600 is 'H' - usually is equivalent to ISO 3200...

IF you want to do this with your DSLR DON'T use the highest ISO... use:
FLASH
ISO 100
ISO 400
OK?

And try to do during the day.

Girls I can't wait to see your images... DON'T worry about the composition... we are studying other features right now, ok? ;)

XoXo :character59:

Gabi B.

Giseli Freitas
07-11-2008, 03:05 PM
Hey Gabi :wave:
My camera is considered a point & shoot one, but it goes to 1600 ISO. How can I do this exercise? Take my shoot on ISO 1600? And the first picture on automatic mode - with or without flash on? I think I could do as the same way you told to Mic... is that right?
Thanks!! :thumbup1:

Gabi Butcher
07-11-2008, 03:49 PM
Gi do as I said in the previous post... Flash/100/400

Gabi Butcher
07-11-2008, 03:50 PM
Since I did this with my point and shoot I didn't think yet on how to do with higher ISO's... but I think it will work like this.

Mic_Aisenberg
07-11-2008, 06:40 PM
Gabi, iīm just waiting for the sunrise to take mine! lol

But tonight i remembered you and your tips ant took pictures without flash using ISO 400 and a complimentary light! ;)

Gabi Butcher
07-12-2008, 05:18 AM
GREAT MIC!!!:woohoo:
With your camera increasing the ISO you can increase the 'film' speed so you may try to do some movement/action shots. At ISO400 the possibility of 'freezing' something is not as high as at ISO800, BUT is a lot higher than with ISO100.

I'm really glad this exercises are in a way helping or at least pushing everybody to take their cameras and EXPERIMENT - cause there is no better teacher or exercise than PRACTICE.

C'mon girls... show me your 3 pics... IF this is too complicated or confusing just let me know... we can try something else... but I really think it's worth giving a try. ;)

Mic_Aisenberg
07-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Gabi, hereīs mine! I can see clearly the difference between them! Itīs amazing! The problem with the higher iso is the shaking... :021:

And, please, donīt laugh: i can also change the speed of the camera or i just need to play with the ISO?! If so, how do i do it?! lol

Gabi Butcher
07-12-2008, 04:47 PM
You mean the 'film speed', right?
Since you are playing with a DSLR and you have more control of your camera than the peeps with PaS YES of course!!!

The idea right now is to show WHAT the ISO does to an image... HOW we interact with them and mix them up (ISO, film speed and apperture) we are going to learn in the future here...

Everything that I've been 'teaching' here I've studied (in a way or another) and now know it by heart, BUT to pass it along is whole different story... so please girls excuse me if the posts or explanations are not all that clear...
I'm used to SLR's and DSLR's and to do this exercises for PaS cameras is a lot harder than I thought... cause you have little control of them, at least not as much as I'd like.:neener:

Girls if you have ANY questions don't hesitate!!! I'll help with the things that I know and if I don't know I'll go find answers to you (and to me).
I may know the (some) techniques but I'm also learning a LOT from all of you and your questions.

Bring the pics girls!!!

Gabi Butcher
07-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Mic... the shaking :001_tongue:...
Increasing the ISO usually allows you to use faster film speed and this will probably solve your :carrot::carrot::carrot:

I'll have some exercises to show the differences in film speed in future exercises... but this will probably just work with DSLR's.

roberta003
07-12-2008, 06:03 PM
Tomorrow i'll take them 3!!

I hope this can stay in mind forever!!! Everytime i'll shoot are the sames doubts... :021:

My camera is not a DSLR, it's a super zoon (Sony H7), but i can take photos on a manual mode, with not a lots of changes than a DSLR, but i think i can play a lot with it until i don't have a DSLR one. Soon.... so soon, i hope!! At first i need to learn more!!

Thanks, Gabi!!!

Mic_Aisenberg
07-12-2008, 06:16 PM
Thanks, SO much, Gabi! Youīre helping A LOT!

I have no idea where to change film speed and apperture in my camera, can you believe it?! lol Canīt wait to learn how to do it and stop having shaking pics!

But youīre right, we have to start from the beginning. If we learn, besides just having it repeated everytime, weīll know what to do! :carrot:

Janine Assis
07-12-2008, 06:40 PM
Mic,
to change your speed you need to put in the M(manual) mode, press the INFO button(in the top of the camera), and move the control (in the right side of the screen, on top). To left is lower and to right is higher. Pressing the +- button and moving the same control you can change the apperture. You can see your configuration in the LCD screen.

Janine Assis
07-12-2008, 06:42 PM
Gabi,
I will try tomorrow with the PaS and the DSLR to see all diferences. With the DSLR, what speed/apperture I have to use? I'm thinking to take the automatic and for the manual use the same configuration used by the camera. Is it a good idea?

Gabi Butcher
07-13-2008, 09:05 AM
Janine use FLSH, ISO100 and ISO400

And I'll open a thread asking what cameras everybody has... so we all know and may be able to help.

CristinaTonon
07-13-2008, 09:52 AM
It's here with exif:
auto
http://lh4.ggpht.com/ctonon/SHk7c2MHESI/AAAAAAAAFcw/EiKdXcdLVd8/80.jpg?imgmax=1024
100
http://lh3.ggpht.com/ctonon/SHk7NahEv5I/AAAAAAAAFcg/c89HsnC8pOY/100.jpg?imgmax=144
400
http://lh5.ggpht.com/ctonon/SHk7Uz7oOQI/AAAAAAAAFco/_YFwEceb5Ks/400.jpg?imgmax=1024
and the original you con see here (http://picasaweb.google.com.br/ctonon/Exercicios)

Janine Assis
07-13-2008, 12:29 PM
Here is mine with my PaS. It goes only to ISO200.

Janine Assis
07-13-2008, 12:46 PM
And with my DSLR. This ISO starts in 200. In the automatic one, I've used flash.

Mic_Aisenberg
07-13-2008, 04:23 PM
Thanks, Janine, iīll give it a try! Iīve never changed the film speed or apperture, iīm waiting for my teacher Gabi!! lol

arianescrap
07-14-2008, 09:33 AM
I'm angry!!!! My camera doesn't have a manual way to take pics...:badputer: I've looked all places, and only have automatic and some guides, but none of ISO or manual adjustment... :27973:

Gabi Butcher
07-14-2008, 12:14 PM
Girls I'll be online to answer ALL the questions tonight!
If there is something that I don't know I'll go after some answers, ok?

Gabi B.

Fersenra
07-14-2008, 03:15 PM
GAbiiiiiiiiii
help
letīs see if my english doesnīt put me down ok?
I have a canon A640
in the properties doesnīt shows the iso in the manual
why could that be?
take a look
http://www.scrapartist.com/gallery/data/500/iso.jpg

tks
Fer

Gabi Butcher
07-15-2008, 10:04 AM
Hi girls I've been having computer problems since last night.
SO it will take ne a few days to sort this out... hopefully less than I imagine.
PLEASE be patient with me and I'll bring some feedback to everybody and a BRAND NEW exercise to you all.

I'm sorry for the trouble - Gabi B.

dst212 (Daniela)
07-15-2008, 10:29 AM
Good, so I'll have time to pull the pictures from the camera, organize them in a file and put it here. Tomorrow night I'll do it!

Natasha
07-18-2008, 06:46 PM
Here is mine:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2594/iso1oe6.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8643/iso2fz8.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9969/iso3ju9.jpg

LeXiee
10-29-2008, 04:38 PM
Here's mine...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/lexieex/Photo%20Exercise/Auto.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/lexieex/Photo%20Exercise/AutoInfo.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/lexieex/Photo%20Exercise/Iso100.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/lexieex/Photo%20Exercise/Iso100Info.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/lexieex/Photo%20Exercise/Iso400.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/lexieex/Photo%20Exercise/Iso400Info.jpg

Viviane
10-29-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't know how to show pics here... that window about the informations, I can't... but I want so much!!!!!:biglove:

Gabi
10-29-2008, 07:46 PM
I don't know how to show pics here... that window about the informations, I can't... but I want so much!!!!!:biglove:

Vivi, you have to make a print screen and then the image post somewhere in a photobucket or on a similar page and then just insert the image here.

Viviane
10-29-2008, 08:04 PM
tks... i'm gonna try!